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once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same batehavior i've seen over d over and over again. they are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run. but wakes itself up perhaps with my clock and if history serves me right, they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their evaluations ended up being catalysts galore. bob in florida, bob >> it is fwrat to tais great to. south florida by way of teaneck, new jersey. i'm calling about krispy kreme donuts. i sold it and forgot about it and now it seems like th
once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same...
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ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> but the chairman was fairly upbeat on the outlook for u.s. growth. but, gave no clear hints on when the fed would curb its aggressive bond purchases. we'll have more on the debt ceiling in the next hour when we speak to senator rob portman. you guys, wilbur, you also said we have -- we are fully ready with inflation, we have all the tools we need to exit. >> well, i caution a little bit. historically the fed has always bought short-term paper and it's easy then to raise the interest rates. again you let the paper roll off, you sell it. now they've been buying long-term paper. rates start to go up, fed cou
ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >>...
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will we avoid the debt ceiling cliff? house republicans will consider a plan to extend the debt limit deadline. why that may set up an entirely different kind of cliff. we'll take you live to washington and john haar woovmtd flagged this in my observation yesterday. should the eligibility age to social security be increased to 70 years old since americans are living a lot longer than they did when the social security program was first set up? stick around for a heated debate and the body of a million dollar lottery winner murdered by cyanide poisoning right after he won has been exhumed. the medical examiner is talking, and we'll have the very latest developments of what went on. stay with us. ♪ [ male announcer ] don't just reject convention. drown it out. introducing the all-new 2013 lexus ls f sport. an entirely new pursuit. introducing the all-new 2013 lexus ls f sport. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does
will we avoid the debt ceiling cliff? house republicans will consider a plan to extend the debt limit deadline. why that may set up an entirely different kind of cliff. we'll take you live to washington and john haar woovmtd flagged this in my observation yesterday. should the eligibility age to social security be increased to 70 years old since americans are living a lot longer than they did when the social security program was first set up? stick around for a heated debate and the body of a...
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debt ceiling. the last obstacle may be the least dangerous, judging by what happened last year with the overly dreaded debt downgrade and what's happening now. take your cue from the markets. here is the bottom line. washington fright fest is almost over, people. maybe time to break out the dr. strangelove handbook and learn how to stopped worrying and love the irrelevant gridlock that will soon face, once the debt ceiling is raised, and politics cease to be the biggest factor in our investment thinking. kevin in washington, kevin. >> caller: booyah, mr. brilliant one. a quick question. you know, with the higher cost of foods and energy, and the lower incomes we're all expecting, the average working person, do you think we can return to the dependence on our credit cards? if we are, is master card a good buy? >> i like master card, my charitable trust owns it, ebay, that stock soaring in afterhours. master card is a paper to plastic worldwide trend, not so much we get hooked in debt or not. and i'v
debt ceiling. the last obstacle may be the least dangerous, judging by what happened last year with the overly dreaded debt downgrade and what's happening now. take your cue from the markets. here is the bottom line. washington fright fest is almost over, people. maybe time to break out the dr. strangelove handbook and learn how to stopped worrying and love the irrelevant gridlock that will soon face, once the debt ceiling is raised, and politics cease to be the biggest factor in our investment...
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bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> the metaphors, jim, whether it's a family not paying the credit card bills, the president saying it's like dining and dashing at a restaurant, the only thing is we've got two weeks of respite and then we're off to the races again. >> after the civil war, there was tremendous partisanship in this country. a tumultuous time. the level of bipartisanship. there's such hatred that you can't get in a room. it never seems like obama gets in the room. biden got in the room beforehand. but look, everybody hates each other down there. it's exactly the opposite of what you would expect from a respected nation
bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit...
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that of course is bumping against and going through the debt ceiling. you know, when the president had his press conference discussing this i always like a good food analogy. his analogy was of course by not raising the debt ceiling we're not paying for the food we've eaten. basically at this big dinner we're at. i like it. let me give it a little slant my style. that is, it's not really a restaurant but an all you can eat buffet. there is no bill coming. the senate and house haven't passed a budget together in years. we have a revolving credit, a tab at this all you can eat buffet and nobody wants to get up. it is not like there is a clock where boom. here is your bill. we'll start the next 24 hours like your charting machines. nobody is ever getting up. it's just a meal that never ends. so how do you in essence stop the eating, stop the debt that is created by running up the tab? well, it seems easy enough but of course it gets messy and the politics are different than the principles involved. the house republicans seem to have finally figured that ou
that of course is bumping against and going through the debt ceiling. you know, when the president had his press conference discussing this i always like a good food analogy. his analogy was of course by not raising the debt ceiling we're not paying for the food we've eaten. basically at this big dinner we're at. i like it. let me give it a little slant my style. that is, it's not really a restaurant but an all you can eat buffet. there is no bill coming. the senate and house haven't passed a...
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and speaking out on the debt ceiling showdown. as we head to break, look at the early movers here on wall street. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool. only from progressive. ♪ you know my heart burns for you... ♪ i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief s! >>> the board of jpmorgan cutting jamie dimon's pay by 50% in light of a multibillion dollar loss last year. down from $23 million from the year before. that brings us to this morning's squawk on the tweet. how might jamie dimon tighten his belt. tweet us at squawk street. there's a lot of -- i don't want to say hatred, but ill wi
and speaking out on the debt ceiling showdown. as we head to break, look at the early movers here on wall street. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price"...
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let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to reduce the security that people expect in their old age. so we're talking about social security here. talking about mid care. we're talking about medicaid. these are foundations for the future life of most of the working population of the country at the moment. if you cut them, people will draw back in their current activity, at least to some degree. >> right. >> so you're basically saying you're going to do something which will squeeze people's living standards out in the future. it will not have any direct effect today on economic activity. except to the extent that people
let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to...
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ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand -- production, rather. that sends the market up. when i got up this morning and looked at the screen, platinum made that 3% today. i looked at the metal sector and looked at things that were undervalued. i think gold short term will benefit but long term i think platinum is going to be a better bet. if platinum stays higher, than going through the latter part of the year, that could signal a change in the market sentiment. gold is your fear and platinum is going to be demand in manufacturing. that could signal a change but not yet. i think
ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand --...
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we've gone over the cliff, now we have the debt ceiling. but, you know, even if they get over those two short-term problems, you still have got the problem of a massive deficit, which is going to have to be reigned in. at some point, you're going to get a fiscal squeeze in america and that is going to put a break on what is not very far from economic growth. i think you'll have that which is always something that is going to be there in the background. you have a lot of debt, as well, still in the private sector, which needs to be fluffed off. there's a deraef raejing that you've been seeing right across the western world is still going to go on, i think, for the best part of this decade. >> and we heard leading up to this election that rarely has a u.s. president been elected with such high levels of unemployment. what was different this time? >> oh, i think it had something to do with the candidate he was facing not being able to energize the public. but i also think, look, reflation? the public loves that, right? free money. >> but do th
we've gone over the cliff, now we have the debt ceiling. but, you know, even if they get over those two short-term problems, you still have got the problem of a massive deficit, which is going to have to be reigned in. at some point, you're going to get a fiscal squeeze in america and that is going to put a break on what is not very far from economic growth. i think you'll have that which is always something that is going to be there in the background. you have a lot of debt, as well, still in...
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debt ceiling. i love the debt clock. it's almost as fast as the amount of money they're going to earn tr nike. >> and is we'll talk about that. >> meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke speaking monday warned the u.s. economy isn't out of the woods yet and is still at risk from political gridlock. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effect of way to improve your credit rating. >> ben bernanke says the u.s. economy appears to be willing to raise the debt ceiling. it's downplaying fierce that this could lead to higher inflation. >>. >> what do you think? >> well, i think, you know, what we've seen in the beginning of the year, like the solution of the fiscal cliff for the
debt ceiling. i love the debt clock. it's almost as fast as the amount of money they're going to earn tr nike. >> and is we'll talk about that. >> meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke speaking monday warned the u.s. economy isn't out of the woods yet and is still at risk from political gridlock. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new...
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that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer. hope you will come back and join us again sometime. >> thank you. >> second inauguration of president obama takes place on monday, january 21st. that will martin luther king, jr. he will be sworn in on the day before, the 20th, as per the constitution. i will host a special cnbc event. it begins at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. that is, monday, martin luther king, jr. day. >> sue? >> ty, shares of lululemon continue to be under pressure on the back of the latest outlook. what is ahead for the yoga appear el maker? courtney is live in miami. courtney? ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer
that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer....
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raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get through the debt ceiling debate, continuing resolution. it's going to be bumpy. we'll take full advantage of a market falldown during that period because you've got three main things going for you. housing turning for real, not just an inventory real liquiification and foreclosures. all that have stuff turning for real. it will turn into unemployment back half of the year. a little better transparency on fiscal policy. not necessarily the fix but the transparency. business cap "x" second half of the year and every single central bank in t
raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get...
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the debt ceiling debate, the u.s. set to hit that $16 trillion limit on borrowing in the next month, if we haven't hit it yet. let's take a listen to what president obama had to say about the potential battle looming in congress. >> markets had could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money. every homeowner with a mortgage, every student with a college loan, every small business owner who wants to grow and hire. >> jared, how does this play out? >> well, we're beginning to hear lots of sounds from republicans that are more in a compromising mode than we heard a week ago. right now they're talking about perhaps an increase in the debt ceiling that lastins for a coup months. frankly, and russ may agree with me here, i don't think markets would react very approvingly to basically just another lurch from crisis to crisis. it wasn't too long ago that, maria, you and i were in these chairs talking about the fiscal cliff. now the debt ceiling. do you want to have this discussion two months from no
the debt ceiling debate, the u.s. set to hit that $16 trillion limit on borrowing in the next month, if we haven't hit it yet. let's take a listen to what president obama had to say about the potential battle looming in congress. >> markets had could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money. every homeowner with a mortgage, every student with a college loan, every small business owner who wants to grow and hire. >> jared, how does this play out? >>...
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treasuries tapping government workers' retirement funds to avoid hitting the debt ceiling. the treasury previously estimated the move would give it around $156 billion in additional borrowing capacity. it says retirees will still receive their benefits. in a letter to the house speaker john boehner, the treasury secretary says this step has been taken before during previous debt limit impasses. several conservative republicans are set to introduce legislation to direct treasury to prioritize debt payments if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling. >>> and president obama will unveil his gun control plan today at 11:45 eastern. he's expected to call on congress to ban military-style assault weapons and the type of high-capacity ammunition used in last month's school shooting in newtown, connecticut. the package will also include efforts to stop school bullying and invest available mental health services. may include several steps the president can take right away without congressional approval. >>> the house of representatives has passed more than $50 billion in aid for hur
treasuries tapping government workers' retirement funds to avoid hitting the debt ceiling. the treasury previously estimated the move would give it around $156 billion in additional borrowing capacity. it says retirees will still receive their benefits. in a letter to the house speaker john boehner, the treasury secretary says this step has been taken before during previous debt limit impasses. several conservative republicans are set to introduce legislation to direct treasury to prioritize...
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debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we will see the sequester, the path of least resistance. congress has to do something to prevent the sequester and the president agree to it. it's unlikely, 1$1.2 trillion, using the dollar for dollar basis, do it twice and -- >> have you seen "41," movie, "41." i saw a couple clips and president bush talking about the nixon year, because he was there and what was it like to be a republican. he said it was not a great time to be a republican at the end of the nixon era and the prospects for the party didn't look very positive. i don't know. it
debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we...
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take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the trade of many people's lifetimes, but with the courages sill at multiyear lows. and the meeting next week, will the trade last? it's the "money in motion" section. good morning. >> good morning. good to be with you guys. what about this dollar/yen trade? obviously the dollar is substantially higher today, but monday/tuesday/wednesday, we've reversed the trend, the yen was actually higher. where do we go from here? >> i think steve's presentation is one of the reasons i'm cautious on this trade. we're within a whisker of the obvious target. i think that trade level will stall. to me i think the better trade is to tak
take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the...
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there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen, right? that's what people say. >> okay. >> relax, steve. >> i'm okay. >> what happens is the rating agencies -- >> your heart rate is going. >> what's that? >> what about the ratings agencies if they were to downgrade us, if we went over, if we went over for a day it's one thing, if we went over and stayed for a week, do they look at it just because washington can't get along, that's reason enough for another downgrade? >> that's a critical question. that's why the democrats are likely to define default as missing any government payment becaus
there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen,...
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no debt ceiling default. okay. but mark, the problem i have is they refuse to talk about the across-the-board automatic spending cuts in the so-called sequester. it's about 80, $100 billion this year and $1.2 trillion over ten years. to me that is their biggest mistake. that is already the law. the democrats are trying to hedge on it. the president has already said it's not going to happen. this is where the republicans should go. and they won't go there. and that's why i doubt their bona fides on spending. >> you have to first of all as i said before get across that spending levels are stoo high. keith, you would agree with that, right? >> no. >> see what i mean? they're too high. >> perfect. right. >> you think this level is appropriate. 25% gdp. >> you're talking about gdp to spending -- >> yeah. >> yeah, that is too high. but that's not because we're spending too much. it's because our revenues aren't -- the reason our revenues is r. in decline is we're in a very weak recovery. we got out of the worst resgs --
no debt ceiling default. okay. but mark, the problem i have is they refuse to talk about the across-the-board automatic spending cuts in the so-called sequester. it's about 80, $100 billion this year and $1.2 trillion over ten years. to me that is their biggest mistake. that is already the law. the democrats are trying to hedge on it. the president has already said it's not going to happen. this is where the republicans should go. and they won't go there. and that's why i doubt their bona fides...
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house over the coming brawl over the debt ceiling. administration officials in a series of statements and discussions saying that all the cool, clever and quirky ideas that people have been talking about to avoid the debt ceiling are off the table. the administration in one form or another over the past several weeks has rejected the platinum coin idea. that was on saturday. scrips or ious issued by the government. and asset sales, which is another thing that's been making the rounds. jay carney on saturday saying there are only two options for putting the nation into default. others say the ideas put off the debt ceiling problem, or make the country look like a banana republic. some house republicans are seriously considering putting the nation into default. po lit ohco in a story this morning said default is becoming more widespread and getting more serious traction than people realize. kathy mcmorris rogers telling politico i think it's possible we would should down the government to make president obama understands that we are ser
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might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think that is good news pushing the debt ceiling out for stocks and i think generally would you look at it as good news, it certainly is fairly muted here. as for the major indices for the week, what simon was just talking about, there are deeper cyclical changes. big industrial names have been generally outperforming and that is very good news, if you think the global economy, those stocks would more closer would the global economy. >> you get this, this real tight hugging of the flat line friday. monday, tuesday, wednesday and then again today.
might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the...
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ceiling is still around. >> easily, though. >> the debt ceiling is still around. you are still dealing with that and, of course, the sequester issue. there are a lot of questions about what happens. we're speccing to run into that debt ceiling sometime between february 15th and march 1st. in the meantime, let's talk about corporate news. aig is suiciding maiden lane over lawsuit rights. it's the federal vehicle created during aig's bailout. at issue is whether the insurer transferred its rights to sue for losses that it incurred on its troubled bonds when it sold $2 billion in securities to the fed in 20308. aig is preserving its right to sue the federal government and other debts. >> fed chairman ben bernanke is going to speak and answer questions at the university of michigan. in d.c., president obama is said to be forging ahead on a wide ranging plan to overhaul the immigration plan this year. this includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country. immigrants would have to pay fines and back taxes. it would require businesses to veri
ceiling is still around. >> easily, though. >> the debt ceiling is still around. you are still dealing with that and, of course, the sequester issue. there are a lot of questions about what happens. we're speccing to run into that debt ceiling sometime between february 15th and march 1st. in the meantime, let's talk about corporate news. aig is suiciding maiden lane over lawsuit rights. it's the federal vehicle created during aig's bailout. at issue is whether the insurer...
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the upcoming debt, certainly, the debt ceiling set the tone, really, for what to expect, we think, for the next four years. the battle over that, already. do you see that as the case? >> well, it's certainly going to be a big challenge, both for the president and for republicans. you're already hearing from republicans that came out of their retreat yesterday, essentially walking back, that they were going to use this debt ceiling pretty much to -- you know, as the democrats like to say, to take the economy hostage, to demand spending cuts. they have backed off of that, looking at some plan to raise the debt ceiling at least for the next three months, to give some time for those talks to happen. and there is a big challenge in coming together, because the president still really feels like absolutely, the debt needs to be focus on, it's a huge issue, big priority, but it needs to be done in a balanced way so that all the spending cuts are not focused on programs for those who are most vulnerable. so we'll see. >> so ana, do you think that the debt ceiling will set the tone between the p
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you saw that, for example, in the debt ceiling fight. first debt ceiling fight in 2011, the president could not go to the brink, because he was worried if they went over the brink -- >> sure. >> -- economic downturn, you don't win. now you can take a harder line. on the other hand in a second term there's often the sense that you have a narrow window on domestic issues with congress, probably about a year, maybe two at the most to get things done and then your attention usually turns more to foreign policy. but the biggest thing is that 1600 pennsylvania avenue is kind of a dangerous neighborhood. if you hang around there long enough, the odds start going against you. often the second term has been very tough for presidents. we'll see if this one can avoid that precedent. >> never heard it described that way. dangerous neighborhood. dangerous territory. >> yes. >> ron brownstein, nice to see you this morning. thank you very much. >>> next hour, what are we missing? is there an issue that no one is talking about now that will define the p
you saw that, for example, in the debt ceiling fight. first debt ceiling fight in 2011, the president could not go to the brink, because he was worried if they went over the brink -- >> sure. >> -- economic downturn, you don't win. now you can take a harder line. on the other hand in a second term there's often the sense that you have a narrow window on domestic issues with congress, probably about a year, maybe two at the most to get things done and then your attention usually...
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they say they are going to have a vote that will delay the debt ceiling for three months. so what they are doing, if you really look at house republicans who took the majority two years ago, they did it standing on principle for pretty much every squirmish. it seems that they are becoming a bit more sophisticated, rather, but their understanding, it seems, is that you have to pick your battles. losing credit ratings and so forth, that's not a smart battle to wage. look at some of the most conservative members of the house talking to deirdre walsh at the end of their retreat for three days about picking their battles in a better way. >> deal with the smaller ones first, maybe build up a little momentum, credibility, not only with the credit markets but with the folks back home, that we can actually deal with these things, take the small one first, debt ceiling last, i think it's a rational, reasonable thing to do. >> now, for some, wolf, maybe even those in the republican house leadership, like him talking about what is rational and reasonable, that may be a bit jarring but
they say they are going to have a vote that will delay the debt ceiling for three months. so what they are doing, if you really look at house republicans who took the majority two years ago, they did it standing on principle for pretty much every squirmish. it seems that they are becoming a bit more sophisticated, rather, but their understanding, it seems, is that you have to pick your battles. losing credit ratings and so forth, that's not a smart battle to wage. look at some of the most...
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that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan policy center. good luck trying to explain this to conservative talk radio show host, rush limbaugh. >> i think it's a debt limit as your monthly credit card limit. you can't go over it on your credit card. and the united states government can't spend more than what its credit limit is or its debt limit. now ali velshi at cnn says that has no relation to spending. >> that's right, rush, the debt ceiling was create sod the congress wouldn't constantly need to authorize congress to borrow to raise more money. it doesn't au
that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and we are not a deadbeat nation. and the consequences of us not paying our bills, as i outlined in my opening statement, would be disastrous. so i understand the impulse to try to get around this in a simple way. but there's one way to get around this. there's one way to deal with it, and that is for congress to authorize me to pay for those items of spending that they have already authorized. and, you know, the notion that republicans in the house or maybe some republicans in the senate would suggest that in order for us to get our way on our spending priorityies, that e would risk the full faith and credit of the united states, that, i think, is not what the founders intended. that's not how, i think, most americans think our democracy should work. they've got a point of view. democrats in congress have a point of view. they need to sit down and work out a compromise. [ inaudible ] yeah. >> and you're not negotiating on the debt c
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and we are not a deadbeat nation. and the consequences of us not paying our bills, as i outlined in my opening statement, would be disastrous. so i understand the impulse to try to get around this in a simple way. but there's one way to get around this. there's one way to deal with it, and that is for congress to authorize me to pay for those items of spending that they have already...
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trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used by one person, but many of them were used on multiple people. >> surfers, beware. you have to look at this video. it's shocking. >> standing on the shore? >> he has his toes in the water. two sharks were spotted dangerously close to shore in honolulu. this was off of oahu. they are like ten feet offshore. >> i will call him a dingaling if he is in the water. >> he's a hero. >> there is flooding and ice. from the weather center, you said snow is on the way as well? >> that's right. it's coming to you guys. it's coming into a north and west of new york into connecticut as well. that's not today's concern. we have the s
trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used...
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they don't want to have the debt ceiling be the problem. they think that would be very bad for the economy and for everyone in the economy. they worry about interest rates going up and they worry about the impact on our deficit. because when interest rates go up, that means the deficit will go up. so we make the problem worse by taking this route if we go down this pathway. >> i want to throw three terms at you that we've had to stomach out in america. debate over the fiscal cliff, the debate over the debt ceiling and the budget show dunn. all three of these very serious. but which is the most serious. >> the debt ceiling could do damage to our countries for decades to come if we hit it and don't expect the problem. this is the most dangerous thing. this is almost a nuclear option. this is really playing with very dangerous things. and one little mistake could be devastating to our country. >> and yet you still come on day after day and smile with me. thank you. always good to see you. >>> by the way, i just want to remind you if you're doi
they don't want to have the debt ceiling be the problem. they think that would be very bad for the economy and for everyone in the economy. they worry about interest rates going up and they worry about the impact on our deficit. because when interest rates go up, that means the deficit will go up. so we make the problem worse by taking this route if we go down this pathway. >> i want to throw three terms at you that we've had to stomach out in america. debate over the fiscal cliff, the...
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but when it comes to the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling, by definition, isn't about authorization new spending. it is about paying the bills that we have already racked up. so are you just trying to say that you want to have this conversation together, at the same time? >> this is about, this is -- raising the debt ceiling is like raising your credit card limit. and historically, this has been a debate. you look over the last four presidents in this country, and there's been a debate, every time, it has come to raising the debt ceiling. because there's a recognition, for years now, that the federal government has been spending way more than it should, way beyond its means, much more than it's actually bringing in. and now, it is -- we cannot continue to kick this can down the road. we've come to the end of the road. it is time for us to stop spending money we don't have. >> former republican speaker newt gingrich is not exactly conflict averse, i think you'd agree, and he has warned the house republicans not to take up this debt ceiling fight. listen. >> asking barack obama not to be
but when it comes to the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling, by definition, isn't about authorization new spending. it is about paying the bills that we have already racked up. so are you just trying to say that you want to have this conversation together, at the same time? >> this is about, this is -- raising the debt ceiling is like raising your credit card limit. and historically, this has been a debate. you look over the last four presidents in this country, and there's been a debate,...
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maybe we shouldn't call this the debt ceiling at all. maybe we should change it the downgrade ceiling because this game of chicken is sick. >> sometimes semantics can make all the difference. >>> breaking news. "usa today" is reporting that lance armstrong has confessed to using performance enhancing drugs. i am looking at just rapped with lance armstrong, 2 1/2 hours. he came ready. what he did tell her? >> he confessed to doping in his cycling career. the interview just wrapped. and there is a confidentiality agreement about the show. it won't air until thursday. the plan all along was to use the venue to confess. make an admission about doping in his cycling career. something he's never done before. he's denied it for years and attacked those who accused him of it for years. >> significant development. >> attacked and attacked aggressively. denied allegations so many times. many people who thought there was no way he could tell the truth believed him. the power and passion in which he denied it. now he has admitted to something, now t
maybe we shouldn't call this the debt ceiling at all. maybe we should change it the downgrade ceiling because this game of chicken is sick. >> sometimes semantics can make all the difference. >>> breaking news. "usa today" is reporting that lance armstrong has confessed to using performance enhancing drugs. i am looking at just rapped with lance armstrong, 2 1/2 hours. he came ready. what he did tell her? >> he confessed to doping in his cycling career. the...
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maybe we shouldn't call this the debt ceiling at all. maybe we should change it the do downgrade ceiling because this game of chicken is sick. >> sometimes semantics can make all the difference. >> "outfront" next, a legendary hacker and activist commits suicide and his parents blame the government. >> and the lance armstrong apology tour has officially begun, but is he really coming clean. what he said and did not say today. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. officeyour business needs...k... at prices that keep you...out of the red. this week get a bonus $15 itunes gift card with any qualifying $75 ink purchase. find thousands of big deals now... at officemax. overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lo
maybe we shouldn't call this the debt ceiling at all. maybe we should change it the do downgrade ceiling because this game of chicken is sick. >> sometimes semantics can make all the difference. >> "outfront" next, a legendary hacker and activist commits suicide and his parents blame the government. >> and the lance armstrong apology tour has officially begun, but is he really coming clean. what he said and did not say today. we asked total strangers to watch it for...
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this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending on entitlements like social security and medicare and fixing a long-term problem. it's not just about paying the bills. it's about the future. >> right, but there are also a lot of political calculations in here. i assume they're very close to the political calculations we saw in the last crisis. >> yes, they are, although, you know, in the last crisis it was very clear that the president had the let me rverage. he had just won the election. he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far
this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending...
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but you also have the president is up against republicans, he trying to work on the debt ceiling. you have the whole issue of whether or not the debt ceiling is going to be raised, whether or not that is going to be held hostage to actually paying the bills the government has to pay. you also talk about immigration reform. where does this fit in in terms of the president's priorities, do you think? >> well, from where i sat today, obviously it seems to be a very high priority for the president of the united states. i'll let the white house and the administration answer how they're going to deal with congress. that's their task, not mine. but i'm confident that the president, the vice president and the entire administration is going to do everything they can to get the package they proposed today through congress. and, you know, when you heard the president say, i think it's essential, american citizens, the american people have to demand this. we have to act. when you have 1,000 people nearly killed in last 30 days at the hands of gun, when you have mass tragedies like happened in
but you also have the president is up against republicans, he trying to work on the debt ceiling. you have the whole issue of whether or not the debt ceiling is going to be raised, whether or not that is going to be held hostage to actually paying the bills the government has to pay. you also talk about immigration reform. where does this fit in in terms of the president's priorities, do you think? >> well, from where i sat today, obviously it seems to be a very high priority for the...
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debt ceiling. this time around, the president is telling house republicans they can do it his way or own the blame. here he was. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> also, need to tell you the president did speak about his gun violence effort. he's had the package put together by the vice president is on his desk today. and he will talk about it a little later on this week. want to bring in two people here, ali velshi with me from new york, and gloria borger there in our nation's capital, to you both welcome. ali, it has been more than a year since that whole previous debt limit debacle. and i know you are saying, especially comparing this to what we just saw on new year's day with the fiscal cliff, this is going to be much, much worse, much bigger deal. talk to me ab
debt ceiling. this time around, the president is telling house republicans they can do it his way or own the blame. here he was. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> also, need to tell you the president did speak about his gun violence effort. he's had...
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also, the next fight in washington will be over the debt ceiling. can president obama end this craziness and bypass congress altogether? we'll talk about the out of the box solutions and whether they would work. >>> and, finally, this is the signature of the man who might be the next treasury secretary. we'll look back through history to see if there's any loopy president. speaking of secretaries of the treasury three former holders of the office and many other statesmen and women offering advice to the president on a new gps special tonight "memo to the president, road map for a second term." tonight at 8:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. >>> first, here's my take. chuck hagel's nomination as america's next secretary of defense has drawn fire from people who say he's outside of the main stream. in fact, he's a pretty straight forward, traditional republican on most issues with a reluctance to go to war, born of knowledge and experience. where hagel does appear out of the mainstream in washington's world of group think is on iran. which i
also, the next fight in washington will be over the debt ceiling. can president obama end this craziness and bypass congress altogether? we'll talk about the out of the box solutions and whether they would work. >>> and, finally, this is the signature of the man who might be the next treasury secretary. we'll look back through history to see if there's any loopy president. speaking of secretaries of the treasury three former holders of the office and many other statesmen and women...
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the big concern is debt ceiling talks in washington. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke says the debt ceiling law should be scrapped all together and outgoing treasury secretary tim geithner sent a letter to congress urging action, warning the treasury would run out of measures in february to keep the bills being paid on time. we're seeing some big moves in tech stocks, pc maker dell could go private, pushing the stock up in the premarket this morning, the rumors pushed the stock up 13% yesterday. dell's been struggling for years, once the pc king, it failed to get into the tablet and smartphone space and apple shares dived when it was a report iphone 5 sales could be falling off. >> that's surprising. >> if you look at my friends everybody likes the bigger screen. >> i thought you were going statistics. >> it's everything to do with samsung and less what the iphone looks like. >> people seem to like the bigger screens. i-phone is a tiny, tiny screen. >> can i get you on the record, in the end, will house republicans agree to raise t
the big concern is debt ceiling talks in washington. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke says the debt ceiling law should be scrapped all together and outgoing treasury secretary tim geithner sent a letter to congress urging action, warning the treasury would run out of measures in february to keep the bills being paid on time. we're seeing some big moves in tech stocks, pc maker dell could go private, pushing the stock up in the premarket this morning, the rumors pushed the stock up 13%...
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. >>> to washington now where yet another battle is brewing, this time it's over the debt ceiling and from the white house to capitol hill democrats and republicans are sparring over the best way to ensure the nation pays its bills and now they're taking the fight to you as both sides try to sell their point of view. president obama warning about what could happen if that debt limit is not raised. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks, and veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops or contracts with small business owners. investors around the world will ask if the united states of america a safe bet. >> the republican house speaker john boehner responding immediately to the president's remarks issuing a statement that read "the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. the consequences of failing to increase the debt ceiling are real, but so, too, are the consequences of allowing our spending problem to go unresolved." joining us i
. >>> to washington now where yet another battle is brewing, this time it's over the debt ceiling and from the white house to capitol hill democrats and republicans are sparring over the best way to ensure the nation pays its bills and now they're taking the fight to you as both sides try to sell their point of view. president obama warning about what could happen if that debt limit is not raised. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social...
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there's an upcoming one with the debt ceiling. ep has to acknowledge this not so pretty reality in the washington as he gives a speech that's supposed to be inspirational. >> the reality is the same congress he was working with on friday will be the same congress he's working with come tuesday despite the speech. we'll watch closely to see more details coming up. thank you so much. we'll watch more of this ahead. >> we always know security is tight in washington, but for the inauguration, it is as tight as it can possibly get, like the motherload of security here. joe johns is here with us to talk about the whole situation. what are we seeing? >> well, john, first of all, there are probably going to be something like 12,000 security people that we know of in and around the national mall for all of the events. so let's break that down a little bit. there are about 4,000 d.c. police officers all of whom will be available for security, different shifts probably working between 12 and 1 hours on sunday and on monday. we have something
there's an upcoming one with the debt ceiling. ep has to acknowledge this not so pretty reality in the washington as he gives a speech that's supposed to be inspirational. >> the reality is the same congress he was working with on friday will be the same congress he's working with come tuesday despite the speech. we'll watch closely to see more details coming up. thank you so much. we'll watch more of this ahead. >> we always know security is tight in washington, but for the...
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he'd rather have a conversation about guns than the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is trying to get political support from his base, maybe he feels it strengthens him going into negotiations with the republicans or the fiscal issues. listen these guys won't even ban assault weapons, how can you trust them on taxes and spending. i see it as building up his political position which is not wrong but i don't think in his heart of hearts he thinks he's going to pass any significant legislation. >> congressman king in the studio after my asking all the time. >> i couldn't stay away from you, soledad. >> she's not really a tough interviewer is she? >> she's very nice and multiracial -- >> are we rolling on this? i love this. keep the nice part. i would appreciate that. >> she was the irish-american woman of the year, there you go. >> and i accepted. nice to have you congressman, appreciate it. >>> other stories making news john has that for us. >> lots of questions about the story involving notre dame's manti te'o and his girlfriend who was suppose
he'd rather have a conversation about guns than the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is trying to get political support from his base, maybe he feels it strengthens him going into negotiations with the republicans or the fiscal issues. listen these guys won't even ban assault weapons, how can you trust them on taxes and spending. i see it as building up his political position which is not wrong but i don't think in his heart of hearts he thinks he's going to pass any significant...
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the debt ceiling -- raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 that got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very important. all these issues are important, but it's very, very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government does not pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. it went part of the way, as you mentioned. but it leaves a number of issues still on the table and traditional negotiations are looming. would you characterize that as an additional cliff that is facing us? or do you think it
the debt ceiling -- raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in...
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there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there are more than one battle happening. where do you think the negotiations should take place? should be the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution to fund the government or sequestration? caller: the continuing revolution to keep the government going -- resolution. there are many departments we don't need. i was showing my grandchildr the debt clock, telling him how much money he would know when he becomes a taxpayer. he said he does not want to become a taxpayer. this is taxation without representation. they have to get this under control. they need a dyiet. host
there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there...
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ceiling? >> i hope it does not come to that but if it has to, it must. you know we can't let extremists put us in default and play chicken with a full faith and credit with the united states of america. that's what they are. when people say let's go into default. when i hear people who are elected to congress say let's go into default. i say this person is from some other planet. this person is not from this planet. the notion that we would do that boggles the mind and the good common sense of the vast majority of americans. >> what is your perspective on america's melting pot being better reflected in small towns? what would urban leaders learn from small town mayors? >> i mean -- i think we're enriched. i know i am. my kids have grown up. i tell people my kids have been in the homes of iranians, koreans, mexicans, italians, and greeks, muslims, we're enriched when we can experience other cultures and people and other perspectives. i think you're seeing the fastest growing places of immigrati
ceiling? >> i hope it does not come to that but if it has to, it must. you know we can't let extremists put us in default and play chicken with a full faith and credit with the united states of america. that's what they are. when people say let's go into default. when i hear people who are elected to congress say let's go into default. i say this person is from some other planet. this person is not from this planet. the notion that we would do that boggles the mind and the good common...
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ceiling so we can pay our debts. i think that is what will eventually happen. i do not think the going often the other direction would be that helpful. >> -- that going off in the other direction would be that helpful. >> i am a second year at the board's school. does the debt ceiling still have a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> it has got symbolic value. maybe one or two other countries, but essentially no other countries and the world have this particular institution. the congress appropriates $100, tells the government to spend $100 on whatever, and then it raises $80 in revenue through its tax code. the arithmetic here says, you have to borrow $20. no, congress has to give a third 100-80 = says the 180at 20. logically, there is got to be something to make up the difference. the way to address it is by having a sensible plan for spending, insensible span foplar revenue. as i was saying before, this is like a family saying, we're spending too much. let's stop paying our credit
ceiling so we can pay our debts. i think that is what will eventually happen. i do not think the going often the other direction would be that helpful. >> -- that going off in the other direction would be that helpful. >> i am a second year at the board's school. does the debt ceiling still have a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> it has got symbolic value. maybe one or two other countries, but essentially no other countries and the world...